09 Jan HYPNOTHERAPY: WHAT TO EXPECT IN YOUR FIRST SESSION
Hypnotherapy: What to expect in your first session: Following is a you tube recording so you can watch two clinical hypnotherapists George Pegios and Amanda Dounis discuss for curious individuals what to expect in their first session.
WHAT TO EXPECT IN MY FIRST HYPNOTHERAPY SESSION: AN INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
Following is a transcript of an interview between George Pegios and Amanda Dounis which took place in August 2020.
Great points on questions, interested individuals would have, about what to expect in their first hypnotherapy session.
Disclaimer: this transcript was mechanically transcribed and the author has done her best to make certain grammatical corrections and ensure that it makes sense. The true version is in the video. What follows below is slightly modified to help the reader make sense of the content. Please accept that spoken language often transcribes with confusion and some doubling up. Regardless, enjoy.
A = Amanda Dounis
G = George Pegios
Well hello and a warm welcome to today’s listeners. Allow me to introduce myself as the host of Today’s episode. My name is Amanda Dounis. I am the founder of the positive thinking clinic located in Wolli Creek Sydney.
Here are the positive thinking clinic, I see clients of all ages. I see individuals couples families and small groups. I conduct psychotherapy and I use a variety of modalities delivered through counselling techniques and hypnotherapy.
I’m a professional counsellor, clinical hypnotherapist, strategic psychotherapist, early childhood teacher, and MLP master practitioner.
To learn more about what I do and what I offer, visit my website on www.positivethinkingclinic.com.au. The easiest way to connect with me on social media is to search my name Amanda Dounis or my clinic name Positive thinking clinic.
You may also access my social media at the bottom of my website. I’m the author of my coping skills handbook aimed at kids aged 8 through to 14 years of age and I’ve also turned this into an online course.
I have a range of podcasts that can be found on Amandadounis.podbean.com
In addition to the Positive Thinking Clinic, I am the owner of four early learning centers. I’m passionate about quality care and emotional wellness of all ages. I believe we set the foundation for emotional wellness from a very young age. My early learning centers are licensed as Positive Living Skills services.
I also have an emotional wellness & kids group on Facebook. One of my greatest hobbies is that I think I’m always involved in a variety of courses no matter how small. I enjoy adding to my skill set as an integrated therapist.
I learn diverse skills and I select the best fit for any situation. If you wonder if I have any other hobbies I’m also into fitness. I’ve run a number of marathons including two ultra marathons. So that’s me in a nutshell.
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Today we have George Pearce joining us. George Pegios is the founder of help my pain in Double Bay.
His main interest is hypnosis for medical pain. He’s done a diploma in hypnotherapy. He’s a strategic psychotherapist and a Master NLP Practitioner.
If you want to find out more about George Pegios visit www.helpmypain.com.au.
He’s very interested in pain management, chronic fatigue, and fibromyalgia. He’s also interested in writing and publishing. You can contact George through the website.
You can also be part of his social media finding him through help my pain on Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, and YouTube.
George also studied at Sydney University during his dental degree. He has since then done some consultant work, has developed consumer products, and has a variety of other interests.
He loves the outdoors. He loves golf, scuba diving, and has also lived in Bali for two years. He was always interested in hypnosis. First he started with the NLP course and then realized that his lecturer Gordon Young also offered Hypnotherapy and Strategic Psychotherapy.
He found this extremely interesting especially the way that it impacts all aspects of human beings. Since then George has furthered his knowledge doing a variety of other courses.
So let’s see today what expertise George can share with us today.
Today we’re going to have a chat about what clients can expect in their very first session.
Okay so we’ve got George Pegios. George: welcome to today’s program.
Thank you for having me again. I yes I think that’s an important thing to talk about. Yeah. I quite find that when some clients or individuals searching on the Internet or come across our websites and make that initial call they are interested in hypnotherapy and they are interested in what shall I expect in the very first session.
In the previous episode we discussed some of the misconceptions and I think that panned out really well so that people can be clear on what hypnotherapy is and what it isn’t. But in terms of what to expect for the very first session what kind of things do you find that clients are searching for.
What answers do you think,..
Well people are coming for all sorts of reasons and as you know hypnosis and hypnotherapy can help with many different things and it could help with you know overall things like anxiety and depression but phobias too. As you know I’ve got a special interest in helping people with chronic pain and chronic health issues. And science is behind all of this and shows that it works very well.
But I also want to also say that it’s been the reason why you think this. What we’re talking about today so important is that there are. We had we had a discussion yesterday with a group of different practitioners and helpful having come from the same school of hypnotherapy and it’s interesting how even a short while after after completing his studies how many people go in different directions.
And everyone has a little bit of a different take on things and say things a little bit differently and then might be influenced by further studies. So it’s a very it’s a very interesting topic that we have today. But it’s it can be we can go down any different tangents as well because every different practitioner may do something a little bit different which are great.
Yeah I totally agree. I think we all develop our own style and I think it complements our personality and our strengths as well. What to expect in the first session. I think I like to give a broad structure. For my clients or my potential clients.
So I give them the opportunity to have a think about what I’m offering and then I’ll then allow them to nit pick at that and ask me for more details where they have a gap in their confidence about what’s going to happen. So maybe it’s worthwhile both of us sharing what we do offer in our first sessions so that clients or potential, or interested individuals who are watching this can then have an idea of what to expect in the very first session since that’s what the topic is for today with me.
I, after I made a booking I give the client intake form which is very detailed to the individual who’s made the booking because that’s I believe to do that properly is a good 10 minute process that I’d rather not do during the first session and that the client can do that in their own comfort, their own privacy, and they can achieve that.
I do prefer to have that form back before the first session because I myself like to have a read of it make sure that I highlight any areas that I need to discuss or clarify with the client.
So on the first session I often have tea or cup of water available for the client. We start in my office where we just have a general conversation and we discuss why they’ve come to the clinic.
Now I ask that because sometimes they say something different to what’s actually on the form. Have you actually noticed that George, that sometimes your clients may write down anxiety and some other things or whatever. But what you actually work on might be relationships or other things.
Yeah. Yeah yeah I’ve seen it quite a lot actually. That’s why I try to have that verbal first with them as well.
So we spend some time going through the phone just to make sure we are on the same page and that allows them opportunity to then extend what they want me to know. I often say is there anything else you want me to know. And we spend some time doing some psycho education on the issues that they present.
Also because this opportunity in my form to put down short term and long term goals I like to become specific on that first session and find out exactly what we’re going to work on when we go inside for hypnotherapy.
I then clarify if they what they know about hypnotherapy I try to give some education before they arrive in terms of a blog or an audio so that they know what hypnotherapy is and also how it will be delivered by me so they have some expectation of how I do it myself and then by this stage once all that’s over and done with we do go inside because I have a separate room which I call the therapy room.
This is my office that was sitting and now the door behind me over there that leads to my therapy room is quite cozy. It’s comfortable it’s got nice lighting it’s got nice and appropriate music and etc. It’s a feeling of safety and it feels like a nice retreat in there. I like to do a lot of the exploring out here and a lot of the healing in there.
So I divide that with the language that I use and the conversations that we have so that when we go in there we change course and hypnotherapy for me in May. It’s basically an open session or this episode is not on what is hypnosis or what is hypnotherapy.
But we then spent the next 20 to 30 minutes during during the hypnosis session where the client has the opportunity to tape that so that they can take that away and listen to that. At home in similar conditions as well. Yeah a nutshell. I guess we can expand on that. What’s your take.
Look I think what you’re doing is ideal and it’s very comprehensive. I.
Spend I’ve got a client intake form which is on my website and I ask when clients make an appointment they fill it out and some basics there. Basically what they’re presenting for in some general health issues as well but I’ll leave it for when they come in to have a bit of discussion and quite often I noticed in their eyes as well they don’t know what to expect and because again like what we said in a previous episode that a lot’s been colored by TV shows and stage and movies and things that people just don’t know they’re quite apprehensive.
And it’s important to kind of lay things out and what what what to expect and to manage expectations about what can happen in the first visit and if we need to do subsequent visits and how the whole thing progresses as well. So I have a little story that I tell most people have what what hypnosis is. It’s using a metaphor and it works quite quite well.
And I think a lot of people do bond with it quite well. So I get along and it’s it’s not that long but yes so imagine if you would if you going somewhere and you might go to another country and you want to make a tourist bus or a coach for fur for your little scenic tour and you’re there and you might be in the favorite seat you know halfway down the back of the bus and you’re looking out and you’re enjoying the ride and they might be in a seaside or snow capped Mount or something beautiful and you’re really enjoying this.
But then after a while you notice it gets a bit cloudy and dark and before you know it you’re in some neighborhood that you don’t really like and you know it’s looking a bit rough and you feel a bit unsafe and you’re not really and you sit down with sadness of a movie not enjoying this. So what do you do. Basically you have to go up to the bus driver and have a bit of a chat to the bus driver and get the bus driver to take you somewhere else because certainly from being a passenger you can’t do that.
So we’re taking this is that being a passenger you basically what’s called the conscious part of you and the bus driver is the unconscious or subconscious part of you or that that part of your the best part of your head somewhere that’s making all decisions.
And with hypnotherapy what we’re doing here is I’m helping the client talk to that bus driver talk to the unconscious to make changes that take you somewhere else so that that works well in explaining things explains it quite well to people yeah. I think that’s really nice to describe it that way because that’s something everybody every age can understand. And I think knowing that that’s their pathway.
I think that will help them trust what you’re going to do and. The journey that they’re going to be on. So what is it that you think. That. Do you explain to your clients that there’s an induction in these situations.
I’m actually very careful so what I do is I try to explain to the client how the session will run and how we need to talk and find out a little bit more about the issue and like what you said before that quite often what they write down it’s been quite often what the underlying presenting what they what they really actually coming in before and it’s happened all the time like as an example there’s a cop show that came in a few weeks ago and he came in to stop smoking but then we found out that they know there was depression and there was self-esteem issues and relationship issues which you’re very familiar with how it all works.
So we’re very very very careful in going through and explain all that. I also have created some animations myself for those that are interested how and we really don’t know how hypnosis works deep down and we don’t know how the brain works although we’re getting very good at it with all the neuroscience and all the imagery that goes on the imaging equipment sorry but I do have some animations that kind of explain to the people that are more interested they want to know deep deep down how it all works and then I’m very careful to explain that you know we are going to talk about their issues and I’m not going to jump into hypnosis yet because some people are a bit anxious they.
Might that in going back to the concept of what stage hypnosis what they see in the mix I think that I might suddenly spring it on them. So I’m very very careful to explain that Whirlpool will do some talking and then we’ll do some exercises in which we might do some what’s called NLPl neuro linguistic programming to try and balance things out a bit first if that’s necessary and then we’ll do it and then we’ll do the session.
I only have the one room so we’ll work from that one room on a counter on a seat that’s quite comfortable and then I say well we’ll do it now. And so I have to explain it to them. Where’s your setup is good because you can explain to them that hypnosis is done in the other room and that room is just to do the you know they’re getting to know I guess.
I guess the truth is it doesn’t really matter if I have the added bonus of another room because it can all happen outdoors and it can happen in the car.
So for me it’s just the opportunity that I had to have an extra space. But what I like about what you’re saying and what I discovered is really important for our listeners to hear is that rapport between the individual and as his therapist is most important because that’s how we observe their needs their language their fees and by us exploring all of this then we know what path to take because hypnotherapy is not one model.
That’s right up our sleeve so we have a number of techniques that we use depending on what the client brings in. So I know some clients come and said Oh I can’t relax or I can unwind …I can’t be hypnotized or you know I can’t change that.
That’s really important to actually hear but because this is sharing with us their beliefs and then we know which direction to take.
We’re not here to convince them otherwise we’re here to work with what they come in with. And that’s why having our, on our form for example where we write right down and I’m not sure if you do this but I assume that you do what your strengths are or where in the past have you had this problem and yet you’ve been able to use your resource to overcome it.
So that for me is one of the most important parts of the interview process because I will use that in hypnotherapy even though they might not understand why I’ve actually asked thought if that was in the past. We know that they’ve got the resource they just tap the gap to bridge it over.
And so like you said that NLP techniques or whatever techniques now you’ve been furthering your skills with a variety of different techniques but whatever the technique is they can expect to feel relaxed. Do you feel to some degree as much trust and comfort as possible to let go and doesn’t have to be a deep kind of trance change what happens in light trance.
True. So we allow the body to relax. We invite the mind to relax and at the same time invite the unconscious part of their mind or subconscious whichever term you feel more comfortable using to be of heightened alertness. Because we need that part very focused and they can expect then to experience that journey like you described on the bus. To lead them through pathways of change.
And we do that. In a personal fashion because we’ve done the psycho education or the interview with them. So we know where they want you to go and where their limits are and they’ve passed or you know would expect whatever we want you to learn from them. We learn so that we can use it in my therapy program.
And on that point as well it’s quite important that people understand as well that even though two people might come in with a similar problem with they say they’ve got anxiety or fear of spiders or whatever it might be. Everything everyone is very different and their underlying personality. And again resources you know parts of their past plays such an important role that in this particular type of therapy that we’re helping people with no two people the same.
And note too actually the same kind of hypnosis or hypnotic therapy to two different people it’s it’s very customized for that person.
Certainly there might be part of the relaxation technique or you know part of what we’re working on might be but everything is really customized specifically for that person from what information that we receive in. And in conduct every interview or our relationship with that client.
Yes. That’s right. I think there’s a lot of power also in visualization.
I mean we’re using a lot of the imagination during our session and quite often we have no idea what they’re imagining unless we’re using our directive approach but if we’re being in directive and we invite them to imagine them selves as their best version then really unless we’re having a conversation of style hypnotherapy session we don’t know what’s in their mind.
And we accept that because this is actually about them not about us. So I like doing lots of pauses during the session to give them opportunity to engage visually with their with their imagination to see. Or you could call it a positive guided visualization I guess are some mental focus whatever term you wish to use but to give them the opportunity to not just be but to imagine and visualize it within themselves.
And I think after this session well before I get to that point towards the end when it was coming to conscious wakeful awareness I give them that opportunity and I think it’s important not to rush this part to determine or discover what they’ve learned and what they liked about it because they haven’t liked absolutely everything that’s been suggested or they haven’t accepted everything or they haven’t perceived it in a way that has become a teachable moment.
So I don’t want them to feel that there’s an element of unsuccess there. And so I invite them to just bring with them anything that they found useful and valuable. And then when they do come to wakeful awareness I allow them that time also with their eyes open to just sit in silence for a little bit as well just to see what other learning occurs because there’s no start finish.
And then that host talk. I find that to be a really nice wrap up where we extend to everything.
They let me know what they think they’ve learned and what the turning points of change have happened although I’ll add at this point too and I don’t know if this is the case with you.
But if you’re familiar with the term post hypnotic amnesia where clients are unable to say or can’t really I don’t really know how I feel or what’s occurred and I I really normalize this for them because that’s the most common feedback that I get. So I invite them just to get in contact with me over the next 24 hours to touch base to let me know what’s changed because they don’t necessarily know consciously at that moment what’s changed.
They may know with a conscious assessment that I liked this part, I liked that but the work is unconscious. So we have to wait and see what does change when you walk out of here. So I guess hypnotherapy extends beyond our 30 minute session or 40 minute session or one hour session. Off onto the night and the very next day as well.
And so I have found that feedback immediately really important. But when clients come back for the next session I like to say what’s changed .… In a positive way so that can immediately deliver that to me as well which will help me shape decision on how to tackle your last part of the session.
Look I did it depends on what’s going on I usually go through I allow after I’ve delivered that the bulk of what I’m doing I’ll give the client about a minute or so to process things without me talking much at all.
A minute’s silence and then when they come back after that minute then I go into a few smaller things and then give them time to bring it all together and you know come out of the trance. But some got going on to another point that you made the experience obviously and like you said before that you don’t have to go into a deep trance and there are five stages of trance from you know quite shallow to quite deep that’s almost asleep.
Clients can go, can can go up and down a bit or stay at a particular level. And the experience is although quite uniform there are different variations of what people experience as well because a lot of people have asked you know what does it feel like to to to be in a trance or under hypnosis wonders.
It is a kind of a weird feeling in that you are super relaxed. I’ve had clients say I was just unable to move. They’re almost paralyzed during that time and they’re certainly aware of what was going on but they were in another reality somewhere they could hear what was being said. They took it all in very differently to how they would take it in while they’re awake and conscious.
And I’ve also had some experience myself included but also a younger client kind of in a few weeks ago that after the procedure after after the session he reported that he says Oh wow. That was red and he said he reported that he’s seeing incredible colors. What kind of colors like really intense purples. For some reason.
So you know the experience can be very unique for certain people but not in a bad way it’s something it just means it’s something else and again back to the thing that you focus that’s a heightened focus that you’re listening to what’s being said but you’re listening to from from from a different point from a different point of view that that kind of really digs in to what your problem might be.
So you start seeing it from a different perspective and a different level of wisdom to what you normally do day in day out and then having said what you said before.
People walk away a little bit sometimes with it but sometimes they’re a bit dazed and super relaxed and they just want to go home and sleep and it does work on them for a while it might take some people say it even takes up to about three days for them to really formulate and process what happened and start putting things into perspective and putting things into action and doing things and changing things so it can happen straightaway but sometimes it might take a few days.
And I also big believer of you think the .. and the reason why I believe that it’s just client feedback. Those who listen up to three to five times do make more than those who do not. What I like best about my therapy as well is it’s it’s not true. It’s drug free.
It’s a it’s a proven clinical method to deal with deep issues deep rooted problems. The evidence is there. It can. I just don’t just want it to start just on that point. Anyone who’s listening or watching or listening as well can just do a google scholar search through Google and type in hypnotherapy for whatever and there are a ton of articles from really accredited universities that’s study this.
Yeah there’s hundreds if not thousands. Yeah.
Yes. And so I mean I myself have a science degree so I make evidence based. So for me that’s one of the reasons why I keep my therapy for me. I’m a counsellor as well and hypnotherapy really can bring fast results.
It is up to the client so what to expect from your very first hypnotherapy session is… Bring your self your best ability to be that best client because all we want from our clients is be here and be willing. What advice would you give George to any others,.. what I’ve said to people as well as that.
And you said this is her last time is it all hypnosis is truly self hypnosis. The practitioner the hypnotist or hypnotherapist is there to guide you and guide you into a level of consciousness that’s different to being awake so that you might be slightly relaxed you might be very relaxed that depends.
You might find as well that on subsequent visits after you become a bit more accustomed to the situation and the relation to the practitioner you might find that on other occasions you might go deeper as well but that does that doesn’t mean that it just happens and it is what it is it works out whatever sorry but I do explain to people that their particular situation would be very unique to them that they’re very super super comfortable.
And another way I’d really like to emphasize change for clients because the truth is clients come in for change. So quite often it’s behavioural change in changing for patterns and I mean hypnosis works with with pain or children or performance and weight in stress and anxiety controlling habits.
There’s a whole list but I like to always ask because this is a really it’s a clear indicator that change has occurred in the session I like them when they first come in I say to them how are you feeling right now. And I don’t want a big story but I do like how they’re feeling at that moment and I get them to rate their stress levels or anxiety one to 10. Yes it’s quite often high and especially if they’re out it’s the first time I do say to them so that I don’t have assumed knowledge.
How do you expect to feel when you leave. Most often it’s their wants to leave calm and feeling better. And so I make sure I revisit that sentence when we have finished. How are you feeling now. Announcing a score at 10 or 12. That’s right. Yeah that’s right. I’ve never ever had someone suffer more depressed or more anxious because they’re doing self hypnosis.
They’re relaxing they’re relaxing their mind in their body and so have they achieved immediately. Yes. Will work continue to be done. Yes. So is there anything else that you can stop.
Yeah look. Couple of things one is I’m one of the most important questions that I ask clients of. Obviously there’s you know what why why you’re here and all that to two things is one are they here on their own volition.
In other words do they really want a change or are they being forced by someone else in the family to come. Because that’s that’s a big deal as well because if they don’t see that they’ve got a problem but everyone around them does think that they’ve got a problem and that can be a problem. And the other thing is why now. If they’ve had a problem for a while. What is it that makes them seek treatment.
Therapy now is it that they’re exhausted everything else so they saw something that triggered the idea that they should have hypnosis or did someone suggested always find that quite interesting as well just to spend a bit of time analyzing that. Yeah. That can help with goal setting as well. And that could help with your direction when you’re doing your actual hypnotherapy session yeah because then you’re hoping to serve their needs and helping them believe that that’s what you’re here for.
That’s what you’re ready for and that’s what you’re doing right now. Right now is the time. And then the other question is this. Well because a lot of people ask this straight off the bat as what is it. How many visits does it take. Obviously it’s a first visit but they come in they want to know. I’ve heard people you know do everything in one visit. I’ve heard that you know my friends had it done and it takes 10 or whatever.
What what what do you say to that. What do you say to people when they ask how many visits on average it is a four to six visit. Program. Yes. Some clients have done amazing things and neat feel they need nothing else after the first or second visit. And yet there’s some that continuously like it I’ve experienced all of that and I’ll continue to experience all of that and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with all of that because it’s actually individual.
And I’m only a brief strategic psychotherapist but we have to be flexible. Now if the client brings in some resistance that’s going to make a difference to the results. So two clients could come in for same session. One brings in resistance and the other one doesn’t it’s quite obvious which one is going to get the faster results. Yes. So this tasking involved quite often after the session.
The one that’s going to do the tasking I’m going to imagine that they will get today results /destination faster than the one that doesn’t.
So what do you mean. What do you mean by tasking. I just I just for the audience is listening…
Oh. Well I don’t like to call it homework because people don’t like to hate homework but sometimes they say So what do I need to do during between now and the next session.
And we’ll, we’ll come up with something that’s going to help serve their goals. And if I may make this suggestion or maybe invite them to decide for themselves what they need to do and what they will commit to do.
It might be listening to a YouTube you might just be listening to the audio and you might be reading something or do using an app or actually making calls or making or certain actions or creating a plan.
The list is endless or… journaling. So all these things contribute to the end result. So without it.
Yeah that’s right.
So to answer that question again it’s all dependent upon how fast the client wants to achieve their results and how willing they are to be part of their hypnotherapy experience and speed up their own results.
The other one too is that some people depending on what’s what they’re presenting concern is and what’s going on. I do suggest to them that I see them after we’ve done we’ve finished everything that might be due to four visits that I see them every now and again every six to eight months every six to eight weeks to help them with a goal and this this in particular is with people that have got issues with weight loss and frantic search to maintain maintain that momentum and make sure they’re still on track as well.
And they may not be long sessions like the initial ones were but it’s just a matter of you know just fine tuning things as we’re going along and dealing with any issues that may come along the way as well. I found that helps as well. That’s really good because it came back to their full support they need it.
And I did something similar proposition but just to know that you’re available with an I like to say the two words or ways to be committed and consistent will always help you be successful in any area of your life whether it’s a diet or whether it’s exercise or studying or mental wellness if you’re committed and you’re consistent then I think you’re on the right path.
So I think it’s really nice that you offer that and that that’s an opportunity for your clients and also that the power of technology now has made it so much easier I mean I do prefer to see people especially initially person to person because you know you just want to develop that rapport and really get an understanding that once you get to know someone you can do as more face time depending on what’s convenient if you know if they can’t come especially at the time of this recording which still that this some covered situation happening which has pretty much changed a lot of how we interact with each other and a bit may become the norm as well going into the future.
Yeah I agree. Well let’s face it the telehealth and the online therapy has been around for years. I’ve been doing it for years. It’s been very effective and other organizations offer online telephone counselling and whatever it is it’s just that we’re now using this for a different situation because of the Covid.
But in my own assessment, I don’t find it’s any less beneficial. It’s a matter of having the right technology the right conditions and for the client to feel that they have their privacy. And there’s platforms that are very private as well. And so I think that it is a great opportunity especially for those who can’t leave their house even if Covid wasn’t here right now.
Its this, clients that we have to see because they may have accessibility issues or whatever. Yeah yeah well they just can’t they can’t travel for a good reason then they have the means of transportation. Yeah that’s right. Or you come recommended and yet you’re in a different state even though they have therapists around there. They may like your website or like what work you do specifically and at least they can reach out to you and they know that they don’t have to drive to you they just get online with you.
Yeah yeah yeah that’s very true. Well I hope that we’ve given our listeners enough of what to expect in their first session. I think if anyone wants to get in touch with us. I’ve introduced both of us right at the beginning of this episode. And just to summarize you are George pick yours from help my pain on the main to Dennis from positive thinking clinic and I guess George will see you at the next episode.
Thank you for your interview today I very much appreciate learning all about you and what you do in your very first session. Thank you so much for the invitation. Really enjoyed it. Again I’ve gotten a lot out of the trunk. All right I’ll see you later.
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